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Hello to anyone interested:
I am taking 1 gram
of mushrooms every 6 days, and life is good.
Headaches are shrinking in intensity and
frequency after each dose. I've had one Kip
2 in the last four days. I haven't had a
debilitating attack since I started dosing again.
Although my cycle has not been broken, it
has shrunk to nothing more than an annoyance.
I get hit about once every 3 days with a
Kip 1.5 or 2 that lasts 20 minutes to a half an
hour. Life is good.
I was taking 1.5 grams per dose, but
that left me feeling hung over but CH free on the
following day. I would then feel great the
day after that. I did take Tylenol for one
of these "hang overs", and it seemed slightly
aggravating. I took only 1 gram last
Wednesday, and felt great the following day, so I
am sticking with 1 gram. I am reaching
about a 2 or 2.5 on a scale of 5 as far as
psychoactive effects, as described in Pinky's
"Important Notes on Mushroom Therapy":
http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=meds;action=
display;num=1013709016
Also, I want to begin
stretching out the amount of time between doses.
The last time I tried this, it was a little
too soon, apparently. I tried to go 9 days
without after 5 doses, and everything blew up
again. I took another 9 (painful) days off,
and as soon as I started dosing again, everything
got better. So I've just done another 5
doses, and I'm feeling great. I'm praying
this continues to work, I've experienced no side
effects other than a next day hangover after
taking 1 1/2 grams.
My conclusion is that this therapy
can require many doses for some individuals as
opposed to others. It must however be
stated that this is a medication, and must be
treated with respect and caution as with any
prescribed medication. Use caution, and
don't go into this without doing your homework if
you are thinking of going this route.
Big ups to Pink and Flash...
Peace and PFDAN to all,
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Re: Shroom Update
« Reply #1 on: May
21st, 2002, 10:10am |
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Hi Rick,
thanks for
the update.
My udate is this...4
weeks ago, started shadowing (I'm a once a year
for 3 month duration episodic) so I dosed w/ 2
grams. Had nothing (no shadows) for 2
weeks, started shadowing again. Dosed w/ 2
grams. Now 2 weeks later...I got his 2
nites ago. Will dose again with 2 grams.
So, so far, I'm on an every 2 weeks dosing
schedule.
I'm hoping this last
dose will totally abort the cycle. But even
if it doesn't...every 2 weeks is not bad compared
to doctors visits...verapamil...waking up every 2
hours at nite...imitrex shots...oxygen all nite
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Re: Shroom Update
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Rick:
Interesting. It would appear you are either
significantly more sensitive to psilocybin than
most or the mushrooms you have are significantly
more potent than most. Possibly both. It is rare
(though not unheard of) to reach a Level 2
experience from a single gram of dried
Psilocybe cubensis.
It is
also interesting to hear of the duration of the
remissions you (and Michelle) are receiving from
each dose. We are still getting reports from
people who achieve instant and complete remission
from a single dose, but the more reports are
posted, the more we hear of cases like yourself
where it is necessary to dose every week to two
weeks for extended periods, and maybe even the
entire length of the cycle. I had expected to
hear results like this from "chronic"
experimenters, but I must admit I was a bit
surprised to find it was relatively common with
"episodic" clusterheads as well.
The important thing is that you are both pain
free, or nearly so, with no side effects.
Congratulations to you both!
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Re: Shroom Update
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21st, 2002, 11:51am |
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Pinky & Mast:
My assumption from the start was that these were
pretty strong, but it had been years since I had
done them, so I wasn't sure exactly. I have
been questioning my provider on their origin,
because I wanted to know what strain they were,
but he doesn't know. I was getting a little
to buzzed on a weekly basis from 1.5 grams, and
was thinking of trying to get by on .75 grams if
I can get the same results. Are Ecuadors
and B+ a bit stronger than the norm?
I haven't wanted to talk about it, but
I was fearing my condition was becoming chronic.
My cycle was due to end right around the
time I went off all the meds I was saturated
with, and instead, it came back full force.
Things only began to recede when I started
mushroom therapy. I was fearing that taking
all those meds at once pushed me into a chronic
phase, they were really messing me up.
Even if I am chronic and have to
use psilocybin regularly, that is what I will
continue with as my treatment. Unlike all
the meds I've been put on, this actually works!
And like Mast said, no doctors, no meds, no
waking up at night, no oxygen, etc.
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Re: Shroom Update
« Reply #4 on: May
21st, 2002, 1:23pm |
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Gheesh Rick, that's not too bad.
I've taken a break from the psilocybin as weekly
to bi-weekly doses were killing me. I need a
babysitter when drinking the tea and frankly it
has lost all its pleasure. I've never used
any medications (tried verap once) other than
abortives until the mushroom therapy. It gives me
a solid week of remission though there may be a
shadow here or there.
Recently I took about a 3 week break and have
only had the usual wake-up pain in the morning.
Been PF for the last 3 days though I'm not quite
sure why. Last attack was in the theatre watching
Lord of the Rings. Seems TV and long movies are a
trigger I guess due to the sleep-like state and
serotonin levels.
I plan on
riding this out until there's another spate of
attacks when I'll redose. I have some speculation
that psilocybin acts more deeply than just the
5ht receptors--I believe it tweaks the
suprachiasmatic nuclei as perhaps evidenced by
changes in timing of attacks that I documented
early on in the mush therapy. Anyhoo, will
investigate further.
This Cluster
Headache stuff is quite a monster to contend
with. Keep your chins up!
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Re: Shroom Update
« Reply #5 on: May
22nd, 2002, 8:52pm |
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CONGRATULATIONS ON ALL THE
SUCCESSES!!
Pink and Flash:
I have been reading and absorbing the
mounds and mounds of information you have
provided in hopes of helping my husband. He
is currently in the middle of a cycle. All
I can say is that I could not be more impressed
with all that you have managed to learn, the
volumes you have written in order to explain to
us, and the resources you have collected to help
other people get going. To me, it seems
that you have been on a quest and it must feel
amazing to see such positive results. There
are not enough people in the world with your
dedication - if there were, there would be far
more cures for incurable diseases. You have
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Re: Shroom Update
« Reply #6 on: May
22nd, 2002, 10:12pm |
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Me too! Me too! I've
been lurking for the last few months, but
couldn't resist this one.
Though
I've thanked them privately, felt the need to
make it public.
Thanks for giving
us our life back....happily farming....rotating
the supply.....waiting for the next one.
Not afraid of it anymore...and that's
something, isn't it?
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Re: Shroom Update
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Nots: Shrooming on a weekly
basis was getting a bit heavy for me also, which
is why I lowered my dosage last week. I
find that parking my butt on the couch and
watching basketball or Japanese animation makes
me feel like I get more out of the experience.
I'm going to work my way through the
original Star Wars trilogy for my next 3
sessions, should they be necessary
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But seriously, I'm
now giving myself at least a 9 day break until my
next dose. Glad to hear you are feeling
better as well.
Kristi &
Shelley: Keep us posted on your questions
and experiences, please! We need all the
data we can get. Also, we should'nt leave
it all on Pinky & Flash to "share the love"
with everyone else.
It is important for other sufferers to hear
the details of individual success stories so that
they may decide whether or not this therapy is
right for them. We can always fall back on
the experts when we fall short in answering
questions ourselves. Glad to hear from you
both, please stay in touch!
Thanks to all,
-Rick
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Re: Shroom Update
« Reply #8 on: May
23rd, 2002, 12:34am |
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Hey Rick!
You'll
find our experiences detailed for all eternity in
the posts....sometime in 09/01.
Felt it important to transcribe for future
readers. At the time, the historical
info that I read was mostly one-dose, mystical
stuff. That, evidently, not the case for
all people....and not what we experienced.
When it worked for my husband, I
found it hard not to scream "shrooms!" at every
post asking for answers. So, I lurked.
Even tho he was mid-cycle and had to
dose several times, I thought that it was the
silver bullet. I still think it is..at
least for him...at least this cycle..... but
different people react differently. Not
everyone has the same results. So, off my
soap box.
Since I'm posting and
not lurking....where is Paco? I miss his
relentless logic. And speaking of
missing posters....what about all the shroom
sucesses that I no longer see
here....Geoff...hedferst...Joe?....out there
somewhere?
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Re: Shroom Update
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Shelley:
I hear
you about wanting to scream "shrooms". It
sounded radical to me at first, even though I had
used them recreationally in college. I
believe this could work for anyone provided they
detox for a long time and focus on keeping
themself as healthy as possible in all areas of
their life. Everyone requires a different
regimen for dosage, which is what they need to
determine through trial and error, as I am doing.
Similar to Verapamil, which can take longer
to work for some and require different levels of
dosage from one individual to the next.
Glad to hear your husband is well!
Let's all hope and pray for continued
success.
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Re: Shroom Update
« Reply #10 on: May
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I am glad to hear that the
shrooms are working well for some of you I tried
another gram last saturday 6 days after my last
dose I took 1 gram and made tea from it
got one extreme!! headbanger this time
around. dont think i will ever try this again.
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Re: Shroom Update
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Erik,
You should
really contact Flash or Pinky. I could try
an advise you, but Flash has been at this the
longest. What comes to mind for your
situation is that he once stated "things can get
a lot worse before they get better". He's
also told me that it can take up to 5 doses to
work. I began to notice results early on,
but I've dosed 10 times in the past 3 months.
Flash can give the most advice from
experience.
He's also
stated to me that short term results can take up
to 48 hours to kick in, and in some instances,
individuals will have accelerated cycles, where
they get 2 nasty weeks and then remission.
Again, I wouldn't judge anyone on
trying to make it through this phase med free, I
can't feel how much pain anyone else is in.
It wasn't easy for me. I know
Notseinfeld has said he's also experienced
attacks right after dosing, although I don't know
if they were as severe as yours.
It's tough to snap a full blown
cycle to my understanding, particularly if you've
been on a lot of meds. This works best as a
preventative. Although in my case, while
the shrooms did not completely snap my cycle,
they brought everything down to such a minimum
that I've been able to reclaim my life.
Anyway, best of luck to you in whatever you
decide, I'll back you in whatever you do, but
please, talk to the experts for some better
advice if you are still interested in this.
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Re: Shroom Update
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Right Rick!
First
doses, my husband got a HA as soon as it wore
off. Changed in intensity and and location,
but Definitely CH.
Continued to
dose on 5 day cycles. Med-free. No
imitrex? No, says I. Pinky said so.
He was mid-cycle when he started.
Then blammo! Just stopped. Last
pain was Sipaupu, NM......09/01......2 days after
last dose.
02:00....a short sharp
twinge just to say goodbye. Instead of
being in Hell for 6 months, only lasted 6 weeks
or so. No shadows, no nothing. Gone.
He hates it so much, can't
convince him to do it as preventative.
We'll see. Got a little factory here.
Give the old stuff to our friends that want
to relive their youth. Keep a current
supply for the next time.
You can
find me in the archives
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Re: Shroom Update
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on May 23rd, 2002,
12:34am,
Shelley
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Hey Rick!
And speaking of missing
posters....what about all the shroom sucesses
that I no longer see
here....Geoff...hedferst...Joe?....out there
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I think I saw them on my last
*trip* LOL We were all sitting under a giant
shroom, reminiscing about the old days.
I'll be celebrating a one year cluster
free anniversary on July 4th. I'll also be
experiencing the fireworks as I did last year,
with brighter reds and deeper blues. It's quite
the moving experience.
It's a wonderful way
to celebrate my country's and my *personal*
Independance Day.
To all the
fellow farmers out there....beware the green
mold. I now hate that more than spinach.
Happy Memorial Day to Everyone...may
all your pain someday just be a memory!
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Hmmmmm. Bob W. Seems
I remember a Bob Wold. Do I have the
correct one? In any case,
Congratulations on your Independence
Day.
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Re: Shroom Update
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on May 25th, 2002,
9:57pm,
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Hmmmmm. Bob W.
Seems I remember a Bob Wold. Do I
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Thanks Shelley.
Last I
checked there was only one of me.
Bob Wold
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Re: Shroom Update
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It's been a little over 2 months
since I began this thread, so here's an update.
I dosed once in each of the 2 weeks after
May 20th, the first time with 1.5 grams, and the
second with 2 grams. I felt great during
those two weeks. 2 weeks after the 2 gram
dose, I began to have tension headaches on
a daily basis, which were a bit meaner than
normal. One week after this started, I
began to fear that this was some kind of
indicator that the monster would return. I
made a 3 gram slushie (blueberries, melon, ice,
and fungus, all tossed into a blender).
This is the only way I'll take them ever
again, if I can help it. Anyway, after that
dose, everything was immediately fine again.
And that was 2 weeks ago, and I still
feel fine. If I don't need to take them
again, I'm going to hold off for 6 months and
then take a maintenance dose.
Much love to Mr. Pinkfloyd (Bob W.)
and his family, we all went to a White Sox game
tonight. Our boys got pounded by the Twins,
but I got to meet a real live shroom eatin'
clusterhead in the flesh
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Re: Shroom Update
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Outstanding News!
Best advice I ever read regarding this
therapy was from you on another thread. It was to
'roll with it' while actively expunging any
discomforting ideas which seem to crop up. 3g's
takes on a whole new meaning in the realm of
psychic flying compared with standard aviation.
I was wondering if you found a correlation
between increasing doses and increasing relief.
As an aside, my condition
has somewhat mirrored yours (rick's) in terms of
severity and frequency. If you found something
specific that helped your condition, I have a
sneaky feeling it would do the same with mine.
Likewise, I would share any earthshattering news
on this end.
For a brief
vent: This is the most ridiculous, misunderstood
and downright fuc-k-er of a disease I could have
possibly imagined before being straddled with it.
There's no information of certainty on the front
end with pathophysiology; the preventatives are
enough to put one in an insane asylum; abortives
are basically hand-me-downs from Migraine
sufferers who have no idea how good they really
have it. Speaking of this, Episodics have only an
inkling of an idea about how day after day this
malady will beat you down, unrelentingly with no
end in sight, ad infinitum. Cyclical for chronics
means January through December---Christ!
It certainly is refreshing to know
this website exists. Not sure what I would do
other than think I'm the only human being
battling such a Goliath, alone.
Lastly, does anyone reading this have
an animal (dog) that knows before you're hit that
you're going to have an attack? A premonition or
undefined psychic link similar to those xxxxxxx
that help folks with epilepsy prior to seizures?
Seems the stress and mental disturbance
during a bout could emit similar red flags.
Thanks for your ears
all---and if there's an extra hypothalamus
floating around, would love to try it out!
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Hi Nots,
excellent post, thank you before all for your
statement:
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preventatives are enough to put one in an insane
asylum; abortives are basically hand-me-downs
from Migraine sufferers...«
- that's the absolute truth, so far there is not
o n e drug designed specially for us
CHeads and we are still only stepchildren of the
medicine, or even better orphans living in a
medical asylum and receiving only poor and
inadequate alms from the pretty advanced migraine
research.
And, concerning a
legalized shroom therapy for us, there
doesn't seem to be a morning dawn in sight so
far: After I had learned from the web site of the
renowned Heffter Institute that they are
supporting clinical trials with psilocybin as
therapy for patients with compulsive disorders in
Arizona/USA and Zurich/Switzerland, I mailed them
about three months ago, asking if there is or
would be such a trial for CHeads too - no answer
so far...So, even my MD specialist colleagues
don't seem to care too much for us !
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Tom,
Would
you be kind enough to post an address for the
Hefter Institute in AZ as I'm feeling quite
verbose these days and would love to send them a
'special' piece of my mind concerning our
conditions.
Thank you for the kind
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Nots, it does appear that
yourself, Scott, and Stecolor achieved more
complete relief at a quicker rate than I did by
taking larger doses. Of course, this is all
relative to the potency of the shrooms we were
taking, and I still do not know what I strain I
have used. I will say though that in the
future, I intend to take a minimum 2-3 grams per
treatment, unless I can get my hands on some
azurecens.
Are you in
remission now? How long do your remissions
typically last? I'm hoping for another 2yrs
4mos, so we'll have to see. Right now, I'm
planning on redosing every 6 months. Our
conditions are quite similar in that we seem to
require a little more psilocybin than the average
Joe.
Let us know how your
communication with the Hefter Institute goes,
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Hi Nots,
I sent
my inquiry to Dr. David Nichols, the director of
the Heffter Institute. His e-mail address is:
drdave@pharmacy.purdue.edu
ATB! Thomas
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All I can say is, I'm in
production now, and the sooner they reach
fruition, the better!
You just can't explain
clusterhead to anyone - they just don't
understand, unless they're living with you.
That's why this monster is such a motherf***er -
you're contemplating shooting yourself, and they
think you should take an aspirin and go to bed,
you'll be fine tomorow.
Let's change the
name of this thing - "Cluster Headaches" just
don't say it. How about "Hotel California
Disease"? That way, when someone asks you why
it's called that, you can answer: Because you can
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Hi Gtarman,
Awesome way to word this all (your last post) and
the Eagle reference SO TRUE.
Would you mind terribly explaining the process in
growing your crop? Like source, duration, any
secrets you may found out or things you may have
done differently? First time grower? I know I
need to check some archives and see if there is
anything there too, but since your production now
any input would be appreciated.
Good luck on your growing and PFDAN
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Hi ste-
Yup, first - time
fungifarmer, just preparing to birth into the
terrarium this weekend. I've been going by the
"Magic Mushroom Grower's Guide" from the Erowid
Mushroom Vault site. So far, so good, but have
been getting advice from Pinksharkmark, and his
terrarium setup is quite different from the
guide's. However, if you're going this route, you
can get started using the guide, and fine-tune
your setup later. I constructed this rig using an
ultersonic humidifier, but according to Pinky
it's cumbersome ("giant pain in the ass") and
much easier to use wet perlite in the bottom of
the terrarium.
You should be able to find
the Erowid site somewhere in these threads, if
not, let me know and I'll get you the exact web
address tomorrow (I'm at work now).
PFDAN to
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